they do nothing and then vote to repeal obama care. i think they're actually in a little bit of panic about obama care. it takes effect in 2014, as you point out. for almost three years, tens of millions of americans will be getting healthcare because of that legislation. by 2016, it'll be very, very poisonous, i think, to call for repealing it. by 2020 you will probably have a republican candidate who said obama care is safe in my hand. >> karen, is it me or is immigration falling off the conversation screen here for a while? what going on? >> as the president's output there, this is immigration reform. if you listen to the republicans, it is clear what they are trying to do is give it a she death by chopping it up and lots of votes in the house and latest proposal, so anti-family and anti-american, the kids bill so to speak says kids you can stay here but we are sending your parent home. so just leaving kids, like, alone here in the united states. what kind of sense does that make? that's what we are hearing from the republicans. tho